From Security to Philanthropy: Alana Stott’s Mission to Make a Difference | Ep. 199

In this episode of Spartan Leadership, I sit down with Alana Stott—entrepreneur, author, producer, and philanthropist—whose career spans security, finance, media, and global activism. Alana shares her journey from running high-stakes security operations to raising millions for charities like Heads Together with the support of Prince Harry. We also dive into her relentless fight against human trafficking and how her work earned her the prestigious MBE (Member of The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire) in the King’s 2023 Honor List.

We cover:
✅ The defining moments that shaped Alana’s path
✅ How she and Dean Stott became involved in high-profile charity work
✅ The harsh realities of human trafficking and how to take action
✅ Breaking barriers in male-dominated industries
✅ The mindset of resilience and excellence

If you're looking for an inspiring conversation on leadership, purpose, and real-world impact, this one is for you.

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00;00;00;00 - 00;00;38;30
Unknown
This is my dog. Welcome back to Spartan Leadership. I'm your host, Josh cosmic, and this is your podcast for leadership, inspiration, and impact. Of course, today will be no different. I have my friend Alana Scott in the studio with us. Well, I should say the virtual studio today because she's out in California. Much nicer weather than we have here in Wisconsin.

00;00;38;32 - 00;01;04;19
Unknown
But let me give Alana the proper introduction before we get into the conversation. Alana start as a trailblazing entrepreneur, author, producer, and philanthropist philanthropist. You can say that word right? With a career spanning security, finance, media and global activism, from running ice to security operations to raising millions for charities like heads, together with the support of Prince Harry, she has made a lasting impact in multiple industries.

00;01;04;24 - 00;01;37;53
Unknown
She founded Wolf Raven on Omnimedia to share powerful purpose driven stories and is a fierce advocate against human trafficking for work and philanthropy. I'm gonna say that word right today at some point, philanthropy, mental health awareness, and supporting vulnerable women earned her the member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire and beat in the Kings 12, 2023 honor List, which we'll have to explain that a little bit, Alana, because most of us Americans have zero clue what that is, but we'll get into that a little bit as well.

00;01;37;58 - 00;02;03;02
Unknown
A lot of his career is a testament to resilience, adaptability, and the power of taking on challenges. Head out. Alana, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. So let's get into that. What is the, member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire? So you're asking me? I don't really know that much myself, but it's, every year, I think twice a year.

00;02;03;03 - 00;02;25;19
Unknown
The the king now used to be the queen would give awards to people, from various walks of life. The mBIE, there's the MBE, OBE, and then there's this sir and dames and all this other ones. But the MBE is generally given to just, ordinary people who just do things that are, I guess, a bit out of ordinary.

00;02;25;24 - 00;02;44;04
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's awesome. And it's got to be a great honor for you. And it's, it's just so, like, we have awards here in America that, you know, mean certain things to certain people. And I figured I'd ask you about that as well, because it's just something that most of us would never hear unless we came from the UK ourselves.

00;02;44;09 - 00;03;09;00
Unknown
So those of you. Oh. Go ahead. Okay. Have to say, most of us listening. Got to hear her husband, Dean, a couple months ago, I think it was that we had Dean on, and that was released, and I wanted to have Elena on because she is extra special as well. And the fact of the matter is, there's a lot to supporting someone like Dean on the back end.

00;03;09;00 - 00;03;38;17
Unknown
And then we'll get into a lot of what Elena's done with some of her, philanthropy. She got the word right this time, and, and some of her entrepreneurial efforts as well. But I wanted to get in a little bit conversation wise with you, Elena, because when I was interviewing Dean, I'm like, this has got to be a hell of a woman to support you being gone, not only for the British Special Forces, but also the bike ride that took just under 100 days.

00;03;38;31 - 00;04;07;04
Unknown
And although, philanthropy and hard work and raising money for men's, I think, or mental health may not be just men's, and being without him, the father, the husband for that long. And so I wondered, conversely, with you, you know, on your end of things. What is it? What is it like to be, you know, without your husband, whether it be a military operation or with the bike ride or anything else on a day to day basis?

00;04;07;04 - 00;04;29;21
Unknown
What type of mental strength and how do you carry on your day to day, knowing that he's going to be gone for those periods of time? Well, you know, I grew up very independently anyway, so my upbringing, I spent large amounts of time on my own as a child, and then my, my life was was always dictated by myself.

00;04;29;22 - 00;04;48;10
Unknown
You know, the buck stops with me constantly. So when I met Dean and actually fell in love, I never actually been in a real relationship when I met Dean because I just didn't have time. Career was everything to me and program, business and philanthropy. He was with all my my passions. So relationships weren't really I didn't have much time for it.

00;04;48;14 - 00;05;08;05
Unknown
And then I met Dean and I can tell he was somebody different. He was somebody who had the mindset that I'd kind of always been looking for the can do attitude, the nothing's impossible kind of belief set. And then but I knew what I knew what he done. I knew he was in the Special Forces and I knew that he was going to go away.

00;05;08;05 - 00;05;29;31
Unknown
But I grew up in Aberdeen in Scotland, which was the oil, oil and gas capital of Europe. So most of the men there were on rotation were away two weeks, three weeks, four weeks on, four weeks off. There was always people coming and going anyway. So I knew that from my grandmother and, friends that I had that that was a lifestyle.

00;05;29;31 - 00;05;55;41
Unknown
It wasn't really a lifestyle that that I was bothered by either way, because I had my own life anyway. So I knew that when I met Dean that this was a life that he had, but then he was injured quite quickly, interrelationship. So we had to get him back to some sort of strength. And then he was in this, the private security world, in the private security world probably took him away more than anything else.

00;05;55;41 - 00;06;13;20
Unknown
I think one year he was home 21 days. But I think because independent May I was it was good on my own. And yeah, I had a lot of friends, a lot of friends who had what I would call like a normal life. They would tell me, you know, he needs to get a job at home. He needs to support you at home.

00;06;13;20 - 00;06;30;29
Unknown
He needs to be here for the kids in you. And. And I was like that. Yeah, that works for you. But I didn't marry that guy. I didn't marry the Nine of five. I. I knew who he was when I met him. And for me to ask him to be someone different just would have been, would have been an injustice to who he was.

00;06;30;43 - 00;06;49;22
Unknown
And we did try it for a very small period of time where he worked with me in property development, and he was home, and he would come into meetings and he was just glazed over, you know, you could just see the life slowly draining from him. So someone like Dean needs to be in the thick of it, in the action and adrenaline pumping atmospheres.

00;06;49;22 - 00;07;16;42
Unknown
And if he's not, he becomes a little bit of a shadow of himself. So for that, I have to make sure that I can build a life that doesn't need Dean to be there constantly. And that's what we done. That's awesome. Well, I think it's so, so there's so much wisdom in what you just said, because we got to support each other as husband and wife and support each other's dreams, and also learn those instances when they're not them true selves.

00;07;16;42 - 00;07;36;47
Unknown
So, as you know, Dean and I got to spoke or speak earlier today and and I was telling him I was like, you know, Dean, people like you and I were largely unemployable. We got to do our own thing. And so, the 9 to 5 world does not work out for people like Dean and I. And fortunately, he found your.

00;07;36;47 - 00;07;57;28
Unknown
And fortunately, I found my wife, Joanna, that support us in our dreams and our crazy ventures and sometimes crazy ideas. Yeah, for sure. And a lot of communication as well. And I know that that word gets bandied about a lot. As you know, you must communicate as a couple. But communication isn't just finding that agreement is having the arguments and saying, actually, I'm not doing what I want to do.

00;07;57;28 - 00;08;17;56
Unknown
I'm not fulfilling my dream. Or on the reverse saying to them, look, you're not doing what you're meant to be. Do it. And you can see that when the person isn't living their purpose or their dreams, or you can see that that that life kind of going from them. So it's important that you get to see the best version of the person you met when they're living to, to their fullest extent.

00;08;17;56 - 00;08;46;22
Unknown
So in both ways, you need to make sure that's working well. That's such a good addition. So let's go to that, cycling ride real quick because you handled all the back end stuff for that. So for those that didn't get a chance to listen to demonize episode, he set the world record for the Pan-American, highway, which goes from the tip of he started there at the tip of Alaska to go to the tip of South America, where start like Dean did at the tip of South America, and go to the tip of Alaska.

00;08;46;26 - 00;09;07;16
Unknown
And you were fundraising behind the scenes for for mental health and the operations for the ride and send and communication with him. What was that? Was that your first venture into, fundraising? Was that you're I mean, my first, you know, I was I think I was about eight years old, and I done the first, like, sponsored famine or something like that.

00;09;07;16 - 00;09;34;18
Unknown
So I've always been in some sort of, philanthropic world of some description, whether it's, volunteering or whether it's raising money. But this was the biggest project we'd ever taken on because it was a logistical project planning. There was fundraising there was there was so much involved in it. There was actually because, as you said earlier, Prince Harry had asked us to raise the money for his nonprofit, Heads Together.

00;09;34;31 - 00;09;56;54
Unknown
There was 11, charities that fell under that. So we had to manage all these charities who were coming together, in this collaborative effort. And then we had them working with, with Prince Harry was a challenge in itself because that comes with media, more bad than good, unfortunately. But so we had, we had teams to put together.

00;09;56;54 - 00;10;18;07
Unknown
We had, kit to get together the logistics there where we were. So you're coming from, as you've said, Argentina right up. You've got things like the Darién Gap in the middle. So we had to plan. That kept changing too, because Panama and Colombia were falling out in the middle of it. Then we had civil wars in Nicaragua and we had like we had weather patterns to plan for.

00;10;18;07 - 00;10;36;26
Unknown
There was just so much involved in it that what we had to do was try and take as much of that away from Dean as we possibly could, so he could concentrate on being fit and riding the bike, and the more he can just concentrate and that side of it, and the more we could take away all the logistics and planning, the better we knew that was going to be.

00;10;36;26 - 00;10;57;43
Unknown
And he could do what he was good at. Oh that's awesome. And I think you're downplaying a lot of the I mean, it's hard to in a, in a short conversation, but there's so much logistical planning that goes into that with all those different countries, in South America, where did you guys go for the vast majority of the charity building?

00;10;57;43 - 00;11;16;36
Unknown
Was it through TV? Was it through media, or was it through phone calls to big donors, like, how did you guys go over? Because for those that didn't listen again, they raised over $1 million in just that 100 days. And that's a that's a huge feat. Yeah. We had to start with, funding the operation to start with.

00;11;16;36 - 00;11;35;22
Unknown
So, that was going to cost quite a bit just to get him across those borders. There's 14 borders we were crossing. So, and then the kit and the bikes and all these different things. So the first thing we needed was a sponsor just to cover those types of costs. And I was I was actually developing a student accommodation at the time.

00;11;35;22 - 00;11;52;20
Unknown
And one of the builders I was working with mentioned someone's name. And I said, could I get an introduction to this person? They were a wealth management company. And then I spoke to this person, and then I kept trying to get in touch with the the kind of big cheeses of the company so that I could really get down with them.

00;11;53;21 - 00;12;10;32
Unknown
And they were based in London. And actually, funnily enough, I got a call from while we were down in London, I was it was a casual day, and I mean, like, I was wearing like a pink jumper and white jeans. It was super casual. And the, a CEO of this huge wealth management company called and said, could you come in now?

00;12;10;32 - 00;12;33;47
Unknown
And we were like, oh, like, you know, first impressions, like, so I was like, okay, let's do it. And we went and and it was, it was just a really the pitch was ready. I already had the pitch ready. I had already prepared it. So yes, my dress wasn't the best, but I was able to just go in and pitch to them and, and they pretty much on that day, I mean, they pretty much told us, yeah, you've got it.

00;12;33;58 - 00;13;04;58
Unknown
And they gave us, 500,000 pounds just to start with, just to get everything moving and get move, just ticks going. And then from there they helped us, plan another event, which we raised another quarter of a million at that event. And then it was just it was just constant, constant emailing, contacting people, having meetings. I met with one lady who an International Women's Day, and she had the possibility of a 75,000 donation.

00;13;05;23 - 00;13;28;13
Unknown
I ended up meeting with her over some wine. We had a really great conversation, and from that we ended up with 150,000. So a lot of it was like huge chunky donations. Where we struggled was actually the kind of public funding donations because and the reason behind that was the dean literally showed no emotion during training during the actual ride, and then he was just going for it.

00;13;28;13 - 00;13;42;18
Unknown
It didn't look like he was in any form of pain. He didn't look like he was struggling. So, people weren't donate. And, you know, we needed to I was like, I need you to cry or I need you to look like you're hurt and in some sort of way, but in the end. But, he just wouldn't do it.

00;13;42;18 - 00;14;00;29
Unknown
And his little, stoic little self just carried on. So most of it was coming from larger fund funding from larger corporates and things. But we did get we did get a bit in the public donation side, but literally cried a little. Got more.

00;14;00;34 - 00;14;19;22
Unknown
Get that stoic warrior to cry. That's a tough task. But I want you to go into that because not only do I do fundraising for charities here, but I know there's a lot of people that listen that have, like, Americans have some unbelievable hearts and that they're very passionate about the charities that they donate to or spend time with.

00;14;19;26 - 00;14;48;06
Unknown
And there's so much groundwork that goes into, you know, selling the dream and selling or the mission of the charitable causes. Because especially here in America, we have so many options. I don't know what it's like in the UK, but like in America, like there's millions of charities. And so it's, there's a lot of groundwork and a lot of conversations that lead to nowhere and salesmanship that has to go on with it to be able to raise those dollars.

00;14;48;11 - 00;15;07;25
Unknown
Yeah. I mean, I always say to treat it like a business because the problem that philanthropy is, is, is it normally does come from a really strong heart, normally a founder of a of a charity. It's for a reason. Or maybe their kid had cancer or there were a veteran, or there's a reason they've set up that particular cause.

00;15;07;51 - 00;15;25;36
Unknown
And they're really passionate about it. And when you're super passionate about something like that, you almost instantly think everybody else should be passionate about it. You know, like my, my huge passion is human trafficking. And when other people don't care about it, I'm like, why? Why do you care about it? This is super important, but it just might not be important to that other person you're talking to.

00;15;25;41 - 00;15;48;04
Unknown
So you have to flip it over and make it into a business. Like, just like if you were pitch in for investment in your business, you're to maybe not necessarily going to lean fully on whatever that that business might be, whether it's, you know, tech or wellness, whatever industry is in your your you are talking about the industry, but you're mainly talking about the numbers.

00;15;48;04 - 00;16;05;29
Unknown
You're saying, look, this is what it is. This is what it's going to be worth. This is how many years it's going to take us to get there. This is what your ROI is going to be. You're doing the same thing with, philanthropy and donors. You're you're basically pitching them a business plan, and you can't just go ahead and just fully on the heart side of it.

00;16;05;29 - 00;16;21;39
Unknown
You have to go in and what's in it for them and what can they get out of it? And yeah, there won't be maybe a financial ROI, but there's going to be something that they're going to get back the you really have to be pushing towards them to show them. So I always just say treat it like a business.

00;16;21;44 - 00;16;49;58
Unknown
Yeah, that's very good advice. Let's, let's dive into a little bit about the human trafficking because I know that's a passion of yours. You have a charity that you've started behind it. What became what what was your impetus to become such a strong voice in the fight against human trafficking? Well, when I was younger, my my mom passed away when I was pretty young, and I experienced some things as, as a teenager, I had some unfortunate instances.

00;16;50;41 - 00;17;10;55
Unknown
And one of them was where two men had sexually assaulted me, and I ended up putting them and taking them to court, and they went to jail. But during the process of that, I learned a lot about how a victim of sexual assault is treated. I was 17, going through the court system and dealing with lawyers and dealing with all these different things.

00;17;10;55 - 00;17;39;18
Unknown
And it was it was that was a pretty horrible experience in itself. And then working with victim advocacy and I learned about, what, what women and girls really went through, sexual abuse ways. And that brought me into the world of trafficking. And I learned about how half of them is going on there. So I was about 17 or 18 when I got into this, this world and just learn more about how prominent it was in the world, how much, how lack of resources.

00;17;39;18 - 00;17;57;47
Unknown
There was a lack of education, lack of awareness. And then really that carried on, I guess, up until I met Dean. And at that point I was getting more calls for people who to to go rescue people, you know, and things were happening and kids were at risk, and there were just wasn't enough people who could help with the rescues.

00;17;57;47 - 00;18;25;47
Unknown
And then obviously, Dean said he immediately wanted to help with that. So that was when we trained, both of us trained in close protection so that we could help. And then really, I mean, like 24 years later, that's us still working in the area, still fighting the fight. So and you've taken that fight from the UK now to the States, and you and I had a private conversation and like I, I spit out a very large number.

00;18;25;47 - 00;18;48;39
Unknown
And you said actually the, the numbers are even larger than that. Now, what is the size of the industry now of, of human trafficking. And what is the dollar amount that it it stands at today. Yeah. The the estimate right now is about 250 million. That's a that's say between 239 and 250 billion. Sorry, billion. I meant to say with 49 to 50, 50 million slaves in the world today.

00;18;48;39 - 00;19;15;15
Unknown
So would I, when I was doing some research, probably 14, maybe ten, 14 years ago, it was about $150 billion. So in the last ten years, it's increased by about another 100 million, $100 billion. Sorry. Yeah. But that is a that's a huge difference. The versus the B that's bigger than almost any industry anyone could think of.

00;19;15;20 - 00;19;40;44
Unknown
Yeah. I mean, it's just the, the gun trade. It it's I would, I would say it's either on par or just passing the drug trade. Now, the illegal drug, drug trade. And I think if you look at it in figures, the, the, the US Marine Corps, their budget is $49 billion. So it's kind of five times the size of the US marine Corps in and profitability wise.

00;19;41;53 - 00;20;06;09
Unknown
So yeah, it's a huge industry with very, very huge players in the games too. So to take it down it's going to need, need a lot. But let's let's dive into that actually, because my biggest question is like we're we know this exists. I think all humans know this exists. But it's like that deep, dark secret we don't want to talk about because it's so ugly.

00;20;06;14 - 00;20;33;10
Unknown
And so I've had a couple people on the podcast now, including you, that have spent their a lot of their life's work in this very ugly topic. What needs to change for this to at least decrease, if not completely be eliminated? So I think that we need to understand that in a whole 360 approach, it can't just be like, right, let's take down the traffickers because this isn't about the traffickers.

00;20;33;10 - 00;20;59;45
Unknown
This is about a supply and demand. This is a basic economic situation. Like they're not going to be able to be traffickers or if there isn't this huge demand. So we just focused on the the sex trafficking industry. We can't just say, let's just take out traffickers, let's just close borders. Let's just stop bad people coming in doing bad things, because while there's still the demand there, there's always somebody who's going to find a way to supply you.

00;20;59;45 - 00;21;25;46
Unknown
Like there's there's going to be that. So we need to look at. Yes. Stopping the traffickers. Yes. Educating the victims on how to prevent themselves getting into into the world. But also like how do we deal with this demand? You know, we're trying to fight it. And it's growing. But at the same time, things like Pornhub are growing and all these other instant gratification side of the world that we're dealing with now, that everything has to be instant.

00;21;25;46 - 00;21;42;51
Unknown
We can get wherever we want, whenever we want it, and there's no limitations anymore as to what you know used to be. That may be like the porn side of the world was like the magazine on the top shelf, and occasionally there was a video or something. Now it's just like you can click on any site, find anyone on there.

00;21;42;51 - 00;22;03;49
Unknown
And I always say, if we're looking at just porn in itself, you know, we used to have a number of porn stars who got paid a salary to do do the work that they were doing, you know, often with a contract now people are able to just make videos, upload them onto these sites, and then then they're out there.

00;22;03;49 - 00;22;24;15
Unknown
And a lot of times these girls are not doing off their own volition. They're they're under age. They're they have no idea that even these videos are being taken. And this is all trafficking and it's all part of the same thing. And I say, I know 99% of kids that are, taken, trafficked, are missing, are taken by someone they know.

00;22;24;15 - 00;22;54;49
Unknown
So this whole kind of like, kids are being kidnaped off the street, thrown in the back of a van, and then being trafficked. That's a bit more Hollywood. That's not exactly how it's going down. They're being groomed and they're being, brought into this world. And before they know they're in it. And the biggest issue we have with things like, law enforcement is that most of these girls don't even realize what's happening to them until it's very late, or by the time they're desensitized or addicted to drugs or whatever it is, is too far gone.

00;22;54;49 - 00;23;13;35
Unknown
So they're never going to play the ideal victim. They're going to look like a very hard in person. They're going to they're going to deny that they're a victim. They're going to deny that he's trafficking them. So once we're at that stage, it's really hard to get get to it. So my way of working is that, we need to prevent it from happening in the first place.

00;23;13;35 - 00;23;40;05
Unknown
We need to bring education to schools, to to law enforcement, to anybody who anybody who's anybody. We just need that basic understanding of what trafficking looks like, what grooming looks like, so we can just stop acting altogether. What percentage of pornography the people, let's say Pornhub, OnlyFans, where where their preferred site is. What percentage of that would you estimate?

00;23;40;05 - 00;24;06;39
Unknown
Or maybe, you know, is, trafficking versus people doing it under their own volition to, general, that's not a figure that I actually know, but if I had to guess, I would definitely put it over the 80% is, when I'm saying unwilling, there's going to be when I, when I think about somebody who's doing something of their own volition, it's okay today, you know, maybe I'm a bit broke.

00;24;06;39 - 00;24;34;26
Unknown
Maybe I'm going to go and do OnlyFans or I'm going to go and do this. I'm going to purposely do this video or make this content, and I'm going to upload it. They're going to pay into my bank and I'm going to receive the money. You know what happens after that? Any regrets? That's you made that decision and you've you've the where it's, an exploitation that's taken place is, you know, you maybe you meet somebody and you start dating them, and then they maybe start talking about, you know, they you're the only one they can trust.

00;24;34;26 - 00;24;51;13
Unknown
And, you know, you don't need other family members. And there's a whole process of grooming that goes into isolating this individual to the point. And they're like, okay, we need to make some money. You could go and do this, you know, and then that becomes exploitation and you're not really if you're not receiving the money, you don't have control of your own actions.

00;24;51;13 - 00;25;11;09
Unknown
If you're doing things you don't want to do, but you're doing them to please someone else. And then there's the worse ones where it's the videos recorded, and that person maybe doesn't know that it's going on. Or is actual full exploitation where they are being abused and trafficked and these videos are being allowed to be uploaded.

00;25;11;09 - 00;25;29;51
Unknown
But the problem then is that there's a very places like Pornhub, there's a really, really small amount of moderators. So you complain about a video being up there, you know, 13 year old girls. Dad calls up and says this, this is my 13 year old daughter, get it taken off. And it could take them months to get round to.

00;25;29;51 - 00;25;54;49
Unknown
I believe right now there's something like 35 moderators in Pornhub for however many millions of videos uploaded every day. So by the time that they stand a chance of getting that video removed, this 13 year old girl is already being shared around the entire world and copied and reproduced in her video is probably out there forever, and she she probably stands very little chance of ever getting it removed.

00;25;54;54 - 00;26;20;22
Unknown
So it's a good lesson you think about that, she said. About 80%. I've actually seen a stat very similar to that. For those of you that choose to engage in watching porn, there's a high likelihood that you're watching the exploitation. And so I think the the end user has to get right with their own soul about that.

00;26;20;27 - 00;26;42;28
Unknown
I, I was chatting with them a sheriff earlier this month actually, and we were talking about that and I don't like to deny that there's men out there that are good men that probably have gone and paid for sex like I. It's something that people have done. It's something that possibly people in the military, when they were away, they done there's, there's it was just something that was kind of joked about in their younger days.

00;26;42;28 - 00;27;01;40
Unknown
You go Amsterdam, you do all this kind of stuff. But I, I've when I've spoke to guys mostly military guys, and they do admit to me that they have purchased sex and and they say that to them. I think, you know, there is a high chance that that person wasn't willing and that was a traffic victim. Would you have still went with her if you known?

00;27;01;40 - 00;27;24;39
Unknown
And every and every time I speak to them, it is 100%. We wouldn't have done that like 100%. And they just think that by, you know, her being looking like she's well or looking like she's actively participating, that means that they're doing it. But I would say exactly what you've said. If you think about the girl, the girl on the street, let's say that's a 9,095% chance she's not doing that offer.

00;27;24;39 - 00;27;45;01
Unknown
Run back and, and, and the likes of Pornhub and other various ones. I mean, I don't know that stat, but I would say it's about 80%. I'd say there's very few, that are actually doing this on their own volition and even things like OnlyFans. I think that, that's probably a lesser percentage is a little bit more verification goes into it.

00;27;45;01 - 00;28;10;08
Unknown
But, that's, that's almost like, like a friends thing as well. Like, is your friend doing something that they maybe don't want to do? They started dating somebody who's making them do things. That's where those questions. But to your point, yes, there's a there's a much, much higher chance. Yes, they know that that person is being trafficked that you're either watching or purchasing.

00;28;10;12 - 00;28;39;14
Unknown
Yeah. The Superbowl just happened. And you and I both know maybe others that are listening don't know that that is the highest for a sex trafficking weekend of the year. And, I don't have any recent stats off the top of my mind. But you think about the people that are there. It's some of the most famous, wealthy, and politically strong people in the world.

00;28;39;18 - 00;29;12;11
Unknown
And yet that's the highest time for sex trafficking to happen is on that weekend and in that city. And, go ahead. I don't I was trying to think of a question around this, but I was thinking about stats and thinking about why that is the case. It is a tough one because really, I definitely try not to focus on the Super Bowl in the very sense that because it does almost make it sound like it's just happened and then, it does get higher back to the supply and demand thing.

00;29;12;11 - 00;29;33;39
Unknown
There's a high concentration of people going into any one place at any one time. There's going to be a higher demand for this. The things that that people want to play with, especially if it's, something like a sports game or like a big, big event like that. That's why Vegas is so prominent for it, because, those types of things are happening all the time.

00;29;35;04 - 00;29;57;36
Unknown
So again, yeah, there's things you can do to watch out for there. But I keep going back to it is just that the economic side of it, that that's why it kind of always receives attention, because there's a larger amount of people put into any one city any one time. But that doesn't mean that it's not happening every other day of the year.

00;29;57;41 - 00;30;24;02
Unknown
Correct? Well, that's that's a good point, actually. It brings up memories for me. When I was in the financial world, we had this, meeting that we would go to every year in Chicago, and there was women there in the bar that, were, were obviously soliciting. And they, they knew we were going to be there, like all these financial suits.

00;30;24;07 - 00;30;46;45
Unknown
We're going to be there. And it's like I, you know, I go to bed alone and I'm sitting there going, what would they know? Like, how would they know that this, this thing is going on at this hotel in this city as like this deep, dark underworld of like scouting of where these influential, influential and affluent is going to be.

00;30;46;50 - 00;31;07;52
Unknown
That just like most of us that are naive, I think, just don't even think about. And then all of a sudden they have a couple drinks and they end up in a precarious situation or whatever it may be, and they're participating in the trafficking world that they never would have. Like you mentioned, if they had known that that person was being forced to do what they're doing.

00;31;07;57 - 00;31;23;50
Unknown
Yeah. And I mean, these the, the, the, the guys who are, I guess, arranging it, the guys who are profiting from it, there's there again, it's planning and logistics and the guys who are making the most money or are good at it, and they're running it like a proper empire, proper business. And the girls are just commodities to them to make that money.

00;31;23;50 - 00;31;45;06
Unknown
And, the guys are paying for it. But is that the hard part of it as well? I guess, you know, we had it we had a victim recently, and they were they were giving us some examples of where they would go and when they would go there and who they would go. And they were like, what are the questions that they got asked was, why didn't you ask for help?

00;31;45;06 - 00;32;09;11
Unknown
Why didn't you say? And the answer was, who do we ask? Because the people in the room are politicians. They're cops. They're lawyers. They're judges. Like who do you. Who should we go to for help? When these are the customers. So it's it's this the. This is why I keep going back to the like. Let's stop them getting into it in the first place.

00;32;09;11 - 00;32;30;35
Unknown
Because if traffickers have to start, you know, kidnaping girls off the streets and doing that more, then that's when it become very, very obvious. And it's going to be we're going to know exactly who's who's actually in danger there. But when they're doing it still with the with the grooming method and getting them into it, almost like they're coming in willingly, it's really, really hard.

00;32;30;35 - 00;32;58;38
Unknown
I mean, if we think about last year, I believe we have 90, field units across the country for federal law. So any time that they cross a state, it becomes a federal law. We've got 90 field units across the country and and labor trafficking. We had five convictions last year. We had less than 400 sex trafficking. And there is a lot of money getting thrown into this.

00;32;58;38 - 00;33;21;01
Unknown
There's a lot of resources getting thrown into this. There's a lot of NGOs and nonprofits out there working on this, and we're getting five labor convictions. We're getting less than 400 sex trafficking convictions. And you think that that's because it comes up. It goes all the way to the top, I think because it's very, very, very hard to convict on anyway.

00;33;21;01 - 00;33;47;05
Unknown
And then when we're then dealing with corruption all the way up the line, it's, it's it's not going to get where it needs to get. We're not going to be charging the people who need to be charged. And but we've got, I believe at this point in time, 80,000 prostitutes in prison. The girls are easy to put in prison rather than focusing on the actual organized crime element of it.

00;33;47;09 - 00;34;08;03
Unknown
Yeah. Speaking of the organized crime element of A, you and I had a conversation about this offline, but talk about how immigration or illegal immigration has played such a role in the last few years here in the US through sex trafficking. Yeah. I mean, I guess back to even what we were just saying there about the, the, the prostitution.

00;34;08;03 - 00;34;32;38
Unknown
There's 80,000 prostitutes, I believe every, incarcerated individual in the US right now costs $150 per day. That gets paid to private institutions. This these same institutions, the same owners, or build them detention centers on the border. During the last four years, we've had over 500 kids have crossed the border and they've been put on the, unaccompanied minors program.

00;34;32;43 - 00;34;56;03
Unknown
And they get handed across to, their sponsor. And in some states, that sponsor doesn't even have to have proof of ID or proof of connection to the child. And then they'll take the child, and then they have to show up for their first court case. I believe there was as of August last year, there was 30,000 plus that never showed up for the first court case.

00;34;57;01 - 00;35;23;39
Unknown
And then there was another, I think, 324,000 altogether of completely gone missing. We don't know where they are. And I know that the the new administration's put a lot of plans into place to get this fixed, but it really was for want of a better term, government facilitated trafficking that these kids were being taken here and we don't know where they are, and nothing was done to look after them.

00;35;23;44 - 00;36;03;38
Unknown
324,000 kids gone missing. And that was just last year. That was over the last four years. There was at least four years, 500,000 across the border in the last, four years. And there's only 176,000 that we fully know where they are and what they're doing. The rest are relatively unaccounted for. And at the same time, we have the media telling us that these are all families coming across the border, and they're seeking asylum, and we're paying for them out of FEMA dollars to be put up in luxurious hotels with our own taxpayer dollars.

00;36;03;43 - 00;36;38;06
Unknown
While 324,000 kids gone missing, presumably into trafficking situations. Yeah. And I mean, this is just isn't just sex trafficking a lot of the time is labor trafficking. We're bringing them across to do it. Incredible amount of hours of work and and making calls, making goods of, of any sort. And they are very, very often run by things like Ms13 and the other gangs that the cartels that are positioning themselves here to exploit in it.

00;36;38;06 - 00;36;58;38
Unknown
Again, as I say, not just sex trafficking, but labor trafficking as well. There's a hell of a lot of money to be made out of kids. Yeah, yeah. The cartels reported that, their number one profit is trafficking, not drugs anymore. But. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, a lot of you think about a lot of the guns, that that Mexico have.

00;36;58;38 - 00;37;25;13
Unknown
They're coming from the US. And then the drugs are coming across from South America, from Central America, coming across. And, you know, if you take some drugs across the border and you get caught, you're pretty much going to jail. Like there's there's no doubt about it. I've already given your stats to the, traffic. And if you get caught with kids or women, it's really hard to prove or hard to get a case presented.

00;37;25;24 - 00;37;37;27
Unknown
So you're you're probably going to get away with it. You've got a much higher chance of getting away with trafficking women or kids. Then you have a robber getting convicted for it.

00;37;37;32 - 00;38;05;29
Unknown
So that's, fascinating and sickening all in the same, same sense. So the I want to start before we move on to some of the leadership stuff and what you've done. The last thing I want to talk about, because you keep mentioning is, is the grooming side of things. And I want to give a like a backdrop, because a lot of people know the term may not fully grasp what the what that looks like.

00;38;05;34 - 00;38;32;57
Unknown
And, so perhaps give it in the lens of what it looks like for children to be groomed, what us good Americans can do to look out for this and make sure that not only does it not happen in our own families, but to our neighbors, kids, or anyone else that we may care about. Yeah, I think it's really important to note that there isn't a lot of people believe that there's, a socioeconomic background that that they will target.

00;38;32;57 - 00;38;54;16
Unknown
It's not it's a certain type of child, certain type of lifestyle that they've got. I believe that one of the, I do a lot of research on sexual predators. I've met traffickers in cruising, I've met with with pedophiles. And they do look at the family dynamics. So it's like, for example, if there's not a father in place, if they're the child spends a lot of time on their own.

00;38;54;27 - 00;39;14;27
Unknown
So this isn't about whether you're rich or poor, like just how how is your lifestyle set up? So they'll be looking to select the victims based on that. Like how how vulnerable is this kid? Like, do they have a strong father? Do they have, communication in their households and so they're, they're they're selecting them and then they're going to secure their trust.

00;39;14;27 - 00;39;27;00
Unknown
So there's something missing in this kid's life that they they're going to make sure that they can build a trust around. You know, I'm here for you and your girls is here for you. I'm going to be the one that's going to help you so that they're still in that kind of void that's missing in the kids fights.

00;39;27;00 - 00;39;43;59
Unknown
And then, they want to kind of seclude them and make sure that not only are they not speaking to their parents or their family, that their friendship groups are going to be bad to them, but, you know, nobody understands you like I do. Like I'm just going to completely clear you from from then and then everything's about secrecy.

00;39;43;59 - 00;40;06;57
Unknown
So the child will start being a lot more secretive. Hide in things, hide them phone calls, hide in their phone completely like everything will become. You know, you'll notice them just isolating themselves and clearing themselves away from anybody they know. And then it becomes sexualized. And a lot of people say this is where it becomes illegal. But sometimes you can sexualize a relationship with I would be an illegal.

00;40;07;08 - 00;40;25;42
Unknown
This is just by like the way we talk. We're maybe put little words into our conversation. That just makes it a little bit more normalized, a little bit more desensitized to those words and those types of things. And then by the time you've done all that, you've pretty much gained a supremacy over them. You you have all their trust, all their control, all their power.

00;40;25;43 - 00;40;55;23
Unknown
They're telling you everything, every single part of what I just said. There is legal. Nothing is illegal until we get to the exploitation sexual contact stage. So you can be out there. You could be grooming kids, you can do this. And I see kids as they were men, teenagers like. But if we if we think about I mean, there's there's there's actual influencers out there like big named influencers that have programs that tell you how to do this, how to groom, a girl into doing things for you.

00;40;55;23 - 00;41;15;57
Unknown
And it's like the one on one of grooming is build that trust, isolate them, and get them to, you know, you're the only one. You're the one in control. And then once we've got that, then we exploit them. Then we make them do the things you want them to do. But at this point, they're they're thinking and they're telling other people that they're doing it because they want to like, no, he's not forcing me.

00;41;15;57 - 00;41;42;16
Unknown
He's not making me do that. I'm doing it because I want to. But they're completely brainwashed by this point. And, you're now in it. But I always say, like, if we could stop it at that point, if we can stop it from there being groomed, then that's the point that we can stop trafficking. Never happening. But while it's still kind of legal to to groom my child, I say it's, it is legal.

00;41;42;16 - 00;42;15;32
Unknown
As long as we haven't done any physical touching or exploitation. The grooming of a child is legal, and that's scary to me. I would love to see that made illegal. Is there any country or any municipality that's doing a good job with cracking down on grooming? We were working on it quite hard in the UK, but it, I mean, it didn't, didn't have the effect it was meant to, to have, funnily enough, Amsterdam in some of the Netherlands, they managed to crack down on it a bit.

00;42;17;09 - 00;42;41;04
Unknown
The Scotland in itself. We came out with coercive control laws. So this kind of mental play was made illegal for domestic violence, but not on the, on the grooming side of it. But Texas, I believe, last year, enforce the law that made grooming illegal. It was focused more on the kind of trans movement and the, the, the grooming of kids in that way.

00;42;41;04 - 00;43;02;03
Unknown
But it does have wording in it that you can use it to, to fight grooming. But, one of my next big stages would be to get word in for it to put a bill in to, to, to make it. And, you know, I've spoke to plenty of people about it and most people are of the opinion that grooming a child should be illegal.

00;43;02;12 - 00;43;27;25
Unknown
But I do come across the old person who tells me that, no, maybe not right. Did you just say that there is big influencers? There were teaching people how to do this? Yeah, well there was there's there's one influencer in particular who has a whole, I believe it's called the PhD program, where they basically teach you how to get women to do these things for you.

00;43;27;30 - 00;43;51;22
Unknown
And, how you, how you get them to kind of worship you and become part of your world. And, and then you, you make a shit ton of money off them, basically. And where do I find this person and throw them in a woodchipper? I'm sure you've seen them, I think is last, last time I heard from him, he was, he thinks he was going to be the Prime minister of the UK.

00;43;52;38 - 00;44;22;00
Unknown
But unfortunately for this type of influencer, he has built his brand around this whole matrix. Yellow, sorry, red pill. You know, the government's corrupt. Everyone's against me. They they're they're kind of, they build their, around this, you know, a certain type of people. And then if you go against him, then you're going against that type of people visa and then bad about this person, then you're a complete left walk east.

00;44;23;20 - 00;44;30;27
Unknown
So we're talking about he the Kim dropped,

00;44;30;59 - 00;44;46;56
Unknown
So, so he, you know, he might have the odd opinion that a lot of people will agree with, but the whole time, while we were agreeing with it, building it and what we're actually doing is. Well, with, with something like that is that there's young, young boys who are following, who think that he's amazing, you know, who are worshiping what he does.

00;44;47;01 - 00;45;07;49
Unknown
And they're learning how to treat girls based on how he speaking and what he's saying. And then these boys are then growing to believe that. Okay, well, if I want to make money, I'm just going to set up a webcam and get loads of girls to make loads of money for me. And then that's how it's continuing this cycle of porn, abuse, trafficking and making money off of women.

00;45;07;49 - 00;45;34;19
Unknown
And then we're coming further and further away from the loving, solid family. Relationships that people could have. More women are being abused, more boys don't know what real intimacy is anymore. And then this is how they believe that money should be made. It's quite scary. Yeah, yeah. So good. Neither of us did it. I won't mention his name, but I know we.

00;45;34;19 - 00;45;54;39
Unknown
You're talking about, And he should have remained in prison when they had him. So, let's let's switch over. Well, actually, last thing I want to say on this, and I and you may have seen the study as well, but for those listening that have either engaged in pornography or anything, we mentioned that those stats earlier.

00;45;54;43 - 00;46;23;23
Unknown
The one thing I want to mention, because I do nerd out on neuroscience, is that neuroscientists have proven that watching pornography, the same parts of your brain light up as being an addict to cocaine. And so it's it's not a healthy practice for you mentally or spiritually. And then you take the stat that we that Alana talked about earlier about that it is likely that you're watching someone that is doing it against their will.

00;46;23;28 - 00;46;59;03
Unknown
You've got a lot of soul searching to do. There's a lot of evidence here to tell you that pornography is not good for you, and it is not good for the person, that's engaging in it at all. So I would just throw that out there and make sure that you do some of your own soul searching and cut that practice from your life in general, because, as she stated quite eloquently earlier, is, you know, we could drop a bomb on these cartels, but until the demand goes away, people are going to figure out a way to fulfill that demand.

00;46;59;08 - 00;47;30;32
Unknown
So all right, let's soccer lessons to transition into leadership. Because you've I've, I've wanted to ask you this because you've constantly been pushing barriers and male dominated, dominated industries from real estate, a lot of philanthropy businesses, security, all the different things. What advice would you give for women who are, want to step into a leadership role and take on those big challenges that maybe they're stepping into a male dominated industry?

00;47;30;37 - 00;47;50;59
Unknown
Personally, I, I've never agreed with the the kind of burning bra activism type of approach. I think of. We want to achieve and we want to do amazing things. We have to just go out and do it. I know that they'll like to tell you that, you know, it's a man's world and that you're you're not going to be able to be as good as men.

00;47;50;59 - 00;48;13;39
Unknown
You can't get like I have never I mean, have I struggled yet? I've I've come across adversity because of who I am or how old I am or because I'm blond or whatever it might be, but I've never let it faze me. You know, I, I when I was, I guess, 25, I got a job as a bank manager, and there was two, bank positions came up.

00;48;13;39 - 00;48;31;40
Unknown
There was a larger bank and a smaller bank. This other gentleman had applied for a job at the same time. Both branches came available at the same time. I got given the bigger branch. He got given the smaller branch. But I was on ten grand a year less than him. We both had. Other than age. He was slightly older than me.

00;48;31;40 - 00;48;50;02
Unknown
We we both had similar experiences. But he was given more I rather than complain and rather than go into that and say like I should be getting just as much as him because I'm female and he's male, that's not very fair. All I done was just went and worked, and I just showed exactly what I could do and how I could do it.

00;48;50;13 - 00;49;09;01
Unknown
And I believe about six months after that, the financial crash of 2008 happened and everything was everywhere. Like nobody knew what was going on. Nobody knew what was going to happen with their money. The bank was in a real, real mess. And this gentleman who taken over this, this other bank ended up being signed off with work related stress.

00;49;09;01 - 00;49;24;56
Unknown
He couldn't cope with what was going on. That type of environment is exactly where I thrived. And it was it was great for me because it was like, okay, when everyone's in trouble, we're in crisis, let's get it fixed. So I ended up taking over his branch as well. So now I've got both branches and then my salary doubled.

00;49;24;56 - 00;49;44;12
Unknown
So, I'm not saying that it maybe not fair, and we bet we throw the word fair out so, so much. But do you know what? Life's not fair. And I think if I. If I've gone and just complained and complain and complain, I'd probably still be looking for jobs that fit me. But I did, and I just went, showed what I could do, kept go and worked hard.

00;49;44;12 - 00;50;02;58
Unknown
And then I was given what I wanted very, very soon. Anyway, and then every other job that I've went into is kind of been taken with that same approach. I just prove what I can do and that I can be good at it. And if I don't know, I'll go and learn and I'll work hard and I'll make it happen.

00;50;03;16 - 00;50;30;06
Unknown
It's so good. It's, you know, because my entire leadership team, 90% of it was strong women when I had my financial firm and it's it's interesting to me to watch some men that are threatened by strong women. And what you've got to realize, for for your women out there, is that strong men love strong women in business and in life.

00;50;30;10 - 00;50;51;02
Unknown
And if you run across a man that happens to be intimidated by your strength, you've got to recognize really quickly that that's a weak man or weak leader. And things aren't probably going to go well either romantically or in business. It's it's it's actually something I've observed over the last 20 years. And it's, I appreciate strong women in my life.

00;50;51;02 - 00;51;15;32
Unknown
They bring such a different perspective to me and thought process and empathy and just different characteristics that I really appreciate and, have helped me become so much better than I love your advice. Because life is unfair. I teach my kids that all the time and try to. And I see all these parents trying to snowplow nowadays problems out of kids way.

00;51;15;37 - 00;51;41;17
Unknown
So I call them the snowplow parents. And they're not equipping themselves or their kids for the real world. You can do that for your kids, but you can't do that for them as adults. In fact, like, I don't know if you've seen this trend, but, Gen Z is having parents come to interviews with them. If for those not on video, her job was dropped.

00;51;41;22 - 00;52;06;34
Unknown
But that is accurate. That is happening in corporate world where parents are showing up to interviews with their child. Wow. And it's it's crazy. They're still trying to snowplow. Well, it's interesting because I think that. You as a parent, you want to protect your kids. Like you can't deny that. Like you do want to make sure they're they're safe and that they're they're looked after.

00;52;06;34 - 00;52;27;08
Unknown
But you know, I was I was 15 when my mom died. And she was she was 37 when she passed. And I didn't get all that education from her that I could have got as a, as a woman growing up and I didn't learn all these different things. I had to work out myself. And I know that in any given day that could happen to me, it could happen to Dean, the kids, and may not have us tomorrow.

00;52;27;22 - 00;52;44;54
Unknown
So they have to learn the basics of life. And no matter how much you want to teach them, you want to say, I, you know, I want to do for you. I want to help you and see you in pain. And I see you struggling. Of course I want to help, but it's not helping them in the slightest that you're doing it for them are the thing that I hear a lot.

00;52;45;18 - 00;53;03;41
Unknown
I'm in Orange County in California, and they. Oh, no, not my kids. My kids wouldn't do that. My kids went into and it's like, no, no, it was your kids. So let's tell them they were wrong and teach them what to do next. One of the biggest things I have at the minute is, kids are all sharing nude pictures of each other.

00;53;03;46 - 00;53;21;41
Unknown
It's a huge thing. Right now. We're like 12, 13, 14 year old kids are asking for nude selfies and sharing them around. You know, my daughter, she's 13 and she's been in the world of trafficking with me forever. You know, she's been learning it since she's been growing up. So she tells me these things and we talk about it.

00;53;21;55 - 00;53;37;47
Unknown
And one parent in particular, I spoke to them and I said, look, your son asked for, naked pictures from a 12 year old girl. This is what is wrong with that? This is what the law is. And her immediate response to me. My son goes to church. My son wouldn't do that. You must have the wrong person.

00;53;37;47 - 00;53;52;46
Unknown
And I was there with the evidence for. And I said, no, he definitely has. We just need to tell them it's wrong and that, you know, what the consequences could be if they do share it, etc., etc. but she was just like, absolutely not. She hung the phone up on me. She was like, my son wouldn't do that.

00;53;52;46 - 00;54;27;20
Unknown
She was. You did not want to have that conversation, that her son could be anything other than the angel that she perceived them to be. And to her, that's protecting her son. To me, that is just building another potential, threat for the future. Really, 100%. We had a situation not like the nude, situation, but there was a kid in the class, and, there was talking about bringing a gun, a knife to the school, and the mom had text evidence.

00;54;27;25 - 00;54;47;57
Unknown
The other mom that she confronted looked at her daughter's phone and the texts were deleted. She says, see, they're not here for like, you know, you can delete texts into your texts on the phone. And she refused to believe it. Well, I think it also comes back to what you were saying about traffic. And we want to believe it's not happening.

00;54;47;57 - 00;55;06;22
Unknown
We want to believe those girls are doing that of their own volition. When you're when you're watching those movies. You know, my my husband, he went to the school and offered them a school shooter package because they don't have a school shooter package at the school that our kids go to. So he offered to do some training and do some work with them.

00;55;06;27 - 00;55;34;14
Unknown
And he was like, the principal was like, no, we don't we don't have that problem here. It's never happened here. But we do have a robust plan. It's the same plan that if we had an escaped dog or, B outbreak, that was the response. The things you can imagine. Dean's the response to this guy. It was like, well, you know, a B doesn't have an AK 47 or a dog isn't actively trying to gun down all the kids in school like that doesn't work.

00;55;34;19 - 00;55;56;44
Unknown
No, that doesn't look good. Imagine Dean's face. So yeah. And I'm on the school safety committee, too. And, there there has to be robust plans, and there has to be preparation. Unfortunately, nowadays, just like there was when we were kids, and there's tornado or earthquake drills or whatever it may be. All right. So I don't want to take up too much more of your time.

00;55;56;44 - 00;56;16;59
Unknown
The last couple questions I have going back to the business aspect, and you've shown such adaptability and resilience through your career changes and and all the things that you've done. What what are what's your approach to taking risks and kind of stepping into the unknown? Because I think this is really powerful. A lot of people tend to avoid risks.

00;56;17;03 - 00;56;39;00
Unknown
They know that outside their comfort zone is where growth is created. They just can't necessarily get themselves to take that risk. What has been your approach to that? I mean, for, for, for me is very simple. The life is just way too short to care. Like you have to just you're never going to, as you say, you're never going to get to the places you want to go by being safe and being comfortable.

00;56;39;00 - 00;56;58;34
Unknown
But I also think that we have this huge misconception of failure and mistakes and, you know, is such a bad word to say. You're failing or you're you've made a mistake or you've made an error. It's if you're getting through your day and you haven't failed and you haven't made any mistakes, then you've not tried on that day.

00;56;58;34 - 00;57;21;05
Unknown
You've not pushed yourself outside of of where, where you could be. It's really, really safe to sit in that comfort zone. But failure shouldn't be a dirty word. Failure should be something where almost if we ever fail in, you know, at least we're trying outside of what our capabilities are. But as long as we keep going, you know, we don't just hit that first hurdle and then stop or we fail in the first moment and then stock, we keep going.

00;57;21;05 - 00;57;46;46
Unknown
We learn the lessons. We what went wrong? How could I do better? Okay, next step, let's move on. And if it is a case of well, actually maybe it's not for me. No, that that's for the right reasons. You're not just quit. It's got too hard. That, that that's every single thing that we've achieved has been achieved through absolute blood, sweat, tears, sacrifice, sleepless nights, all these things I feel like I see, like on Instagram and all these different portals.

00;57;46;46 - 00;58;06;57
Unknown
A lot of this instant achievement that people want. Oh, you know, we can make you rich in ten days or whatever. Like there's no joy in that. You need that struggle. You need the build. You need the pain, need the memories, to get there, to really, really appreciate it. It's so good, so good. Nice. So much. Agree with it.

00;58;08;05 - 00;58;39;01
Unknown
The suffering that comes along with it is worth so much on the lessons or learned that you get to build that resiliency and build that fortitude to continue moving forward. I've seen in my own life and I've seen it with so many others as well. All right. So last question I always ask, and this can be on anything you've spoken of or anything that just comes to your heart for wisdom, popular belief that you hold to be true, that you think most others disagree with.

00;58;43;03 - 00;59;01;26
Unknown
I would probably say that. That. Well, we would. You said, really? Anything's possible. Anything can be achieved. I think that that most people are looking for most people are looking for the excuse as to why we can't do it. I firmly believe that, you know, Josh, you said to me right now, you want to be a rocket scientist, and can you help me?

00;59;01;26 - 00;59;19;18
Unknown
I'd be like, yeah, let's go and get Rocket Science Is for dummies. And we'll start from day one, and then we'll get to to the end. I think that there's absolutely nothing that can't be achieved in the world by anybody. If you really want to do it. But we, we are our own selves, limiting beliefs when we say we can't.

00;59;19;18 - 00;59;44;18
Unknown
So I, I've yet to see anything that I think that you can't do. Yeah. So good. All right. What is the, we didn't even get to do, like, mention a name, drop your charity. But if someone so inclined to support the sex trafficking. The human trafficking, where can they get more information on you, the charity, and get involved?

00;59;44;37 - 01;00;10;44
Unknown
Yeah, the charity is blue Dot Foundation. So, but you can find out from my website. Alana, start.com across all our social. I just get in touch with me or Dean Dean's dot dot com alliance Dot-Com. Pretty much consigned us through through those names. But the yeah, the charity in itself is blue Rose Dot Foundation. And you can donate, you can get involved, you can find out what you need to find out there.

01;00;10;49 - 01;00;31;36
Unknown
Awesome. But it's been such an honor to have you on and share so much valuable information and I, we spent a lot of time on the human trafficking sex trafficking piece, but it's such an important topic that's so hard for most to talk about, and you have such a vast knowledge on it. I wanted to make sure we tapped into it enough today, but thank you so much for spending the time with the audience.

01;00;31;40 - 01;00;55;36
Unknown
Thank you so much for having me. Truly great. Been awesome. Alright Spartans, you know what to do. Share this episode far and wide. Make sure we get this message out there. Remember the good and greater the enemies of possible lead like a Spartan today.

01;00;55;41 - 01;01;00;41
Unknown
This is does.